From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Thu Apr  2 19:37:32 2020
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:37:32 +0100 (BST)
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By the way, some time ago you referred to me in the list as a 
self-proclaimed researcher.

Whenever I see your posts I remember.

So now, just for the same record, please note that I have been awarded a 
research degree at Master level in 1975 by a Royal-Chartered English 
University. So it is not "self-proclaimed" at all, it is by graduation. 
Yes, a research degree. for the avoidance of doubt, I am not meaning 
that a taught degree at Master level included a research project, it was 
a direct registration for a research degree at Master level and I 
researched the topic, submitted a thesis, attended a viva voce 
examination and was awarded the degree.

No hard feelings about this, but I point that out to settle the matter.

Best regards,

William Overington

Thursday 2 April 2020

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/



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From Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com  Thu Apr  2 20:41:45 2020
From: Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com (Levantovsky, Vladimir)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:41:45 +0000
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Dear William,

Thank you for your message and yes, I remember our discussions very vividly ? they are firmly ingrained both in my memories and in the email archive: https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2014-January/thread.html

Thank you and best regards,
Vladimir


From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com <wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:38 PM
To: Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>; mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at
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By the way, some time ago you referred to me in the list as a self-proclaimed researcher.



Whenever I see your posts I remember.



So now, just for the same record, please note that I have been awarded a research degree at Master level in 1975 by a Royal-Chartered English University. So it is not "self-proclaimed" at all, it is by graduation. Yes, a research degree. for the avoidance of doubt, I am not meaning that a taught degree at Master level included a research project, it was a direct registration for a research degree at Master level and I researched the topic, submitted a thesis, attended a viva voce examination and was awarded the degree.



No hard feelings about this, but I point that out to settle the matter.



Best regards,



William Overington



Thursday 2 April 2020



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From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Thu Apr  2 20:50:31 2020
From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com (wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:50:31 +0100 (BST)
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Hi

It was when we were discussing whether one could do two-tone shading by 
using an extension to the Microsoft colour format.

Best regards,

William


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Dear William,

Thank you for your message and yes, I remember our discussions very 
vividly ? they are firmly ingrained both in my memories and in the email 
archive: 
https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2014-January/thread.html 
<https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2014-January/thread.html>

Thank you and best regards,
Vladimir




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By the way, some time ago you referred to me in the list as a 
self-proclaimed researcher.


Whenever I see your posts I remember.

So now, just for the same record, please note that I have been awarded a 
research degree at Master level in 1975 by a Royal-Chartered English 
University. So it is not "self-proclaimed" at all, it is by graduation. 
Yes, a research degree. for the avoidance  of doubt, I am not meaning 
that a taught degree at Master level included a research project, it was 
a direct registration for a research degree at Master level and I 
researched the topic, submitted a thesis, attended a viva voce 
examination and was awarded  the degree.

No hard feelings about this, but I point that out to settle the matter.

Best regards,

William Overington

Thursday 2 April 2020

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/ 
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From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  3 19:58:54 2020
From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com (wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 18:58:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GBSUB decoding be adapted to
 decode localizable sentence codes please?
Message-ID: <4d75e247.b6e.17141321b4f.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>

Could you consider the document linked here please?

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/A_List_of_Code_Numbers_and_English_Localizations_for_use_in_Research_on_Communication_through_the_Language_Barrier_using_encoded_Localizable_Sentences.pdf

That document, a slide presentation and a description of the encoding 
space used are available from the following web page.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_research.htm

The webspace is hosted on a server run by PlusNet Plc, an internet 
service provider. The webspace is not hosted on my computer.

If the code numbers were each decoded using a GSUB table in a font to 
display a glyph, then existing software in an OpenType supported 
application would do the task. That is well-known.

Yet these codes would be decoded using a Unicode text file named 
sentence.dat specific to the chosen target language. That is, there 
would be a sentence.dat file for French, a sentence.dat file for German, 
a sentence.dat file for Japanese, a sentence.dat file for Welsh, and so 
on. The end user deciding which one to use.

Software would be needed to decode from the codes to localized text 
using data from whichever version of the sentence.dat file is in use on 
the receiving device, yet the process seems to be very similar in 
concept to glyph substitution in the sense of recognising a sequence of 
characters in an input text and replacing the sequence with something 
else in the on-screen presentation.

How difficult would it be to adapt a copy of the original software to 
this application please?

William Overington

Friday 3 April 2020


From john at tiro.ca  Fri Apr  3 20:41:29 2020
From: john at tiro.ca (John Hudson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:41:29 -0700
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GBSUB decoding be adapted
 to decode localizable sentence codes please?
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On 03042020 10:58 am, wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com wrote:
> Software would be needed to decode from the codes to localized text 
> using data from whichever version of the sentence.dat file is in use 
> on the receiving device, yet the process seems to be very similar in 
> concept to glyph substitution in the sense of recognising a sequence 
> of characters in an input text and replacing the sequence with 
> something else in the on-screen presentation. 

Except that's not what GSUB does. GSUB is specifically glyph 
substitution, so it is something that is happening after the initial 
process of recognising a sequence of characters in an input text and 
displaying them. By the time you get to GSUB, there are no characters 
involved, only GIDs.

What you want to do is to map from a character sequence (the code) to a 
different character sequence (the localised text string).

There are huge numbers of localisation databases in existence, and most 
involve some kind of ID mapping, i.e. associating all the different 
translations of a particular string via a key ID. Are you perhaps 
reinventing the wheel?

JH


-- 

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Tiro Typeworks Ltd    www.tiro.com
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NOTE: In the interests of productivity, I am currently
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Monday and Thursday unless this schedule is disrupted
by travel. If you need to contact me urgently, please
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From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  3 21:10:16 2020
From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com (wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:10:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
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Thank you for your reply.

Thank you for explaining.

> There are huge numbers of localisation databases in existence, and 
> most involve some kind of ID mapping, i.e. associating all the 
> different translations of a particular string via a key ID.
Are any of those key IDs an ISO standard? Can those IDs can be 
interchanged in a Unicode plain text stream?
There is the SNOMED system for medical terms, and associated 
localization into some languages, but those are for clinical phrases, 
not, as far as I am aware, any whole sentences for plain text 
interchange in emails.
> Are you perhaps reinventing the wheel?
That is possible. It depends on what those databases do and whether, 
like Unicode codes, they are free for all to use, and standardized 
across all platforms, and capable of use embedded simply, expressed 
using Unicode characters, within plain text in communications.
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From singer at apple.com  Sat Apr  4 00:26:19 2020
From: singer at apple.com (David Singer)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 15:26:19 -0700
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
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I fail to see the relevance of this to fonts. 

We have existing standards to identify languages, not least the ISO 639 series, and the IETF BCP-47 (which uses the ISO specification). The IETF specification is capable of being extremely specific if desired ? fthe document gives the example de-CH-1901 (German as used in Switzerland using the 1901 variant [orthography]).

Anyone is welcome to build translation systems, or libraries of pre-defined translations, and I would recommend that they use these well-thought-out tagging systems ? but what has that got to do with fonts?


David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.


From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Sat Apr  4 21:08:43 2020
From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com (wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 20:08:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
 to decode localizable sentence codes please?
Message-ID: <371061b6.142d.17146985fb0.Webtop.47@btinternet.com>

> I fail to see the relevance of this to fonts.

It does not relate to fonts. Yet it does relate to OpenType in that for 
the GSUB table in an OpenType font to be applied in a practical 
situation, there needs to be a software application that can detect 
examples in the text stream of sequences that match the sequences 
defined in the font.

> We have existing standards to identify languages, not least the ISO 
> 639 series, and the IETF BCP-47 (which uses the ISO specification). 
> The IETF specification is capable of being extremely specific if 
> desired ? fthe document gives the example de-CH-1901 (German as used 
> in Switzerland using the 1901 variant [orthography]).

Yes. one of those codes can be used in a comment in a sentence.dat file 
so as to provide feedback to a human being of the target language of the 
particular sentence.dat file.

Until reading your post I was unaware of the extremely specific 
capability of those standards.

> Anyone is welcome to build translation systems, or libraries of 
> pre-defined translations, and I would recommend that they use these 
> well-thought-out tagging systems ? but what has that got to do with 
> fonts?

Well, my sentence.dat format does so.

The format dates from around 2014 but in reviewing the published 
documents I realized that they differ from some recent ideas of mine 
about the code numbers for then sentences, so I have today produced and 
published a new document.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/The_Format_of_the_sentence_dot_dat_files_for_use_in_Research_on_Communication_through_the_Language_Barrier_using_encoded_Localizable_Sentences.pdf

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_research.htm

Hopefully that new document helps to explain.

As it happens I have since 2016 been writing some novels built around 
the idea of localizable sentences. Yes, it is sort of science fiction, 
but the intention is to convey my ideas in a popularly readable format. 
After I had completed the novel in 2019 I missed writing it, so I 
started a second novel. Free to read, no registration requested.

Well, I am not a novelist in the sense of doing it professionally, and I 
appreciate that writing novels like that around an invention might raise 
some eyebrows, but I like to think that they put my ideas across 
effectively, and they have helped me express ideas, and, well, if they 
help keep my mind active as I get older, that is good.

Two chapters from the second novel might be helpful here

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_the_second_novel_chapter_009.pdf

quote from the chapter

John continues. ?So I am going to describe the three ways that are 
proposed in our research, describing each by an example encoding, in 
each case for the original sentence that I mentioned, namely ?Good day.?

end quote

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_the_second_novel_chapter_027.pdf

quote from the chapter

?Well, I don?t know what it is about but someone was asking if decoding 
localizable sentences had a sort of ffi problem and someone say ?no?. I 
was wondering what that is about please.?

end quote

Readers might like to look at the part about the possible encoding of 
localizable sentences in Unicode in one of my replies to the Public 
Review of the QID Emoji proposal.

https://www.unicode.org/review/pri408/

Links to the novels.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/novel_plus.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/locse_novel2.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/

The webspace is hosted on a server run by PlusNet PLC, a United Kingdom 
Internet Service Provider. The webspace is not hosted on my computer.

I am hoping that the ideas can result in an ISO standard and that the 
invention can be applied in practical use on computers and mobile 
devices. My view is that a free-to-use non-proprietary ISO standard is 
the way to achieve this, then the invention could be used integrated 
into Unicode plain text usage on various platforms interoperably.

William Overington

Saturday 4 April 2020


From pgcon6 at msn.com  Sat Apr  4 21:16:42 2020
From: pgcon6 at msn.com (Peter Constable)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:16:42 +0000
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
 to decode localizable sentence codes please?
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Any regular expression utility is capable of detecting sequences that match pattern sequences. The GSUB table is used for a very specific scenario: substitution of glyphs. It's not a general-purpose transduction utility.



This thread seems to me to be off topic as it doesn't appear to pertain to the development or maintenance of the OpenType Spec or Open Font Format standard. Hence, I won't respond further and suggest it be taken elsewhere.





Peter



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> I fail to see the relevance of this to fonts.



It does not relate to fonts. Yet it does relate to OpenType in that for the GSUB table in an OpenType font to be applied in a practical situation, there needs to be a software application that can detect examples in the text stream of sequences that match the sequences defined in the font.



> We have existing standards to identify languages, not least the ISO

> 639 series, and the IETF BCP-47 (which uses the ISO specification).

> The IETF specification is capable of being extremely specific if

> desired ? fthe document gives the example de-CH-1901 (German as used

> in Switzerland using the 1901 variant [orthography]).



Yes. one of those codes can be used in a comment in a sentence.dat file so as to provide feedback to a human being of the target language of the particular sentence.dat file.



Until reading your post I was unaware of the extremely specific capability of those standards.



> Anyone is welcome to build translation systems, or libraries of

> pre-defined translations, and I would recommend that they use these

> well-thought-out tagging systems ? but what has that got to do with

> fonts?



Well, my sentence.dat format does so.



The format dates from around 2014 but in reviewing the published documents I realized that they differ from some recent ideas of mine about the code numbers for then sentences, so I have today produced and published a new document.



https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.users.globalnet.co.uk%2F~ngo%2FThe_Format_of_the_sentence_dot_dat_files_for_use_in_Research_on_Communication_through_the_Language_Barrier_using_encoded_Localizable_Sentences.pdf&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1bced5facbc342a7bf6908d7d8cb9d50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637216241348143103&amp;sdata=5vVKhaZUp%2BLuPjaE01yLKhSFQrFG9BDeUd6fgImF4uY%3D&amp;reserved=0



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Hopefully that new document helps to explain.



As it happens I have since 2016 been writing some novels built around the idea of localizable sentences. Yes, it is sort of science fiction, but the intention is to convey my ideas in a popularly readable format.

After I had completed the novel in 2019 I missed writing it, so I started a second novel. Free to read, no registration requested.



Well, I am not a novelist in the sense of doing it professionally, and I appreciate that writing novels like that around an invention might raise some eyebrows, but I like to think that they put my ideas across effectively, and they have helped me express ideas, and, well, if they help keep my mind active as I get older, that is good.



Two chapters from the second novel might be helpful here



https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.users.globalnet.co.uk%2F~ngo%2Flocalizable_sentences_the_second_novel_chapter_009.pdf&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1bced5facbc342a7bf6908d7d8cb9d50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637216241348153097&amp;sdata=%2BwBaJCDuWsgU2mrLGuzJO6Bkwwwz2jvvqvb0f02cJHc%3D&amp;reserved=0



quote from the chapter



John continues. ?So I am going to describe the three ways that are proposed in our research, describing each by an example encoding, in each case for the original sentence that I mentioned, namely ?Good day.?



end quote



https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.users.globalnet.co.uk%2F~ngo%2Flocalizable_sentences_the_second_novel_chapter_027.pdf&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1bced5facbc342a7bf6908d7d8cb9d50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637216241348153097&amp;sdata=U5znw5QIHOT2KNK1FFdYC30WpU1CTo8TpvzZWYeJa38%3D&amp;reserved=0



quote from the chapter



?Well, I don?t know what it is about but someone was asking if decoding localizable sentences had a sort of ffi problem and someone say ?no?. I was wondering what that is about please.?



end quote



Readers might like to look at the part about the possible encoding of localizable sentences in Unicode in one of my replies to the Public Review of the QID Emoji proposal.



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Links to the novels.



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I am hoping that the ideas can result in an ISO standard and that the invention can be applied in practical use on computers and mobile devices. My view is that a free-to-use non-proprietary ISO standard is the way to achieve this, then the invention could be used integrated into Unicode plain text usage on various platforms interoperably.



William Overington



Saturday 4 April 2020



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From john at tiro.ca  Sun Apr  5 00:05:41 2020
From: john at tiro.ca (John Hudson)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:05:41 -0700
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
 to decode localizable sentence codes please?
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On 04042020 12:16 pm, Peter Constable wrote:
> This thread seems to me to be off topic as it doesn't appear to 
> pertain to the development or maintenance of the OpenType Spec or Open 
> Font Format standard. Hence, I won't respond further and suggest it be 
> taken elsewhere.

Agreed.

William, please remember that this is not a general font developer list 
even, but a technical standard working group with a specific mandate. 
Your project is completely outside the scope of that mandate and hence 
off-topic. Thanks.

JH


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From wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com  Sun Apr  5 00:36:18 2020
From: wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com (wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 23:36:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be adapted
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Just this final note for this thread to say thank you to John Hudson, to 
David Singer and to Peter Constable for your replies.

You all provided helpful  information that is new to me.

Thank you.

Best regards,

William Overington

Saturday 4 April 2020




------ Original Message ------
From: "John Hudson" <john at tiro.ca>
To: mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at
Sent: Saturday, 2020 Apr 4 At 23:05
Subject: Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Could software used for GSUB decoding be 
adapted to decode localizable sentence codes please?
On 04042020 12:16 pm, Peter Constable wrote:
This thread seems to me to be off topic as it doesn't appear to pertain 
to the development or maintenance of the OpenType Spec or Open Font 
Format standard. Hence, I won't respond further and suggest it be taken 
elsewhere.

Agreed.

William, please remember that this is not a general font developer list 
even, but a technical standard working group with a specific mandate. 
Your project is completely outside the scope of that mandate and hence 
off-topic. Thanks.

JH


-- 

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Tiro Typeworks Ltd    www.tiro.com
Salish Sea, BC        tiro at tiro.com

NOTE: In the interests of productivity, I am currently
dealing with email on only two days per week, usually
Monday and Thursday unless this schedule is disrupted
by travel. If you need to contact me urgently, please
use some other method of communication. Thank you.

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From htl10 at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Apr  6 16:58:14 2020
From: htl10 at users.sourceforge.net (Hin-Tak Leung)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:58:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Typo/off by one error in the opentype OS/2 table
	description
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Hi, I haven't checked the iso spec pdf yet, but the Microsoft online version of it has a couple of off by ones:https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/typography-issues/issues/392

Found while looking another font validator issue on the os/2 table.
( it is https://github.com/HinTak/Font-Validator/issues/54 , if people are interested)

Hope everybody is keeping safe and healthy!
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From Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com  Mon Apr  6 17:33:26 2020
From: Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com (Levantovsky, Vladimir)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:33:26 +0000
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Typo/off by one error in the opentype OS/2 table
	description
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Thank you Hin-Tak for bringing this up to AHG attention.

I checked the text of the ISO OFF spec, and it doesn?t have the same issue that online OT version has. ISO document provides the description of the current OS/2 table format as part of the main spec, and offers descriptions for all prior versions as historical references in Annex B (informative).

It looks like both the end notes in the OS/2 ?ulUnicodeRange? field description and the ?Notes? column in the ?ulUnicodeRange? table are purely editorial comments, and were recent editorial revisions of the OT doc only.

Thank you,
Vladimir


From: Hin-Tak Leung <htl10 at users.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:58 AM
To: mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at; Peter Constable <petercon at microsoft.com>; Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>
Subject: Typo/off by one error in the opentype OS/2 table description

Hi, I haven't checked the iso spec pdf yet, but the Microsoft online version of it has a couple of off by ones:
https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/typography-issues/issues/392<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/EgFnCXD0wrhXOJ3ms6AotG>

Found while looking another font validator issue on the os/2 table.

( it is https://github.com/HinTak/Font-Validator/issues/54<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/RI1lCYEnxytLA8P5iGcdq4> , if people are interested)

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From Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com  Fri Apr 17 21:33:27 2020
From: Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com (Levantovsky, Vladimir)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:33:27 +0000
Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] AHG report to 130 MPEG meeting
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Dear AHG members,

Please see attached the AHG report I submitted to the SC29 / WG 11 for their consideration at the upcoming 130th meeting next week. I will ask for extension of the current AHG mandate to continue exploration activities of technical issues raised by the incoming CSS WG liaison.

Thank you,
Vladimir

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