[MPEG-OTSPEC] Proposal to discontinue the AdHoc Group

Mon Sep 21 08:38:49 CEST 2020

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <
Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com> wrote:

> Behdad,
>
>
>
> Asking the ISO/IEC SC29 Working Group
>
> > to acknowledge that the AdHoc model has NOT worked for many in the
> industry
>
> is a strong request, one that cannot be made without providing any
> substance to support it.
>

Great. Where can I submit the evidence? My allegations involve you, Peter,
Sairus, and Greg. So the party hearing my complaints cannot include any of
you four because conflict of interest.

I've been asking you since June or July about how to file a complaint and
you have refused to give me an answer. At the last video meeting you said
"I don't know", but you didn't say that when I first asked you in writing.
Instead you asked to video-call and just told me to NOT file a complaint
because it will threaten the existence of the AHG. The existence of the AHG
benefits you personally.

> This is especially important when there is a strong evidence to the
> contrary, that this work has been successfully conducted since 2004, that
> the OFF standard (ISO/IEC 14496-22) has undergone four editions (in 2007,
> 2009, 2015, and 2019) and numerous amendments,
>

Seriously? You, as the chair of this MOFF / AHG whatever, are so blatantly
dismissing my allegations that there are problems? I'm a *very*
well-established expert and prolific member of this community and I've been
alleging for three months now that THERE IS A PROBLEM.

>  and is widely adopted in the industry (see References below). While the
> WG has been responsible for this work item, the actual work has been done
> by the AHG.
>
>
>
> Can you please elaborate on what, in your opinion, “has NOT worked”? Can
> you point out to any instance of a technical discussion conducted in this
> Ad-Hoc Group where a technical objection has been raised that did not
> receive due consideration and has not been properly reflected in an AHG
> proposal or recommendation?
>

I will to a fair and impartial group of people who have authority to make
changes.

b

> Thank you,
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
> References (list of industry standards normatively referencing ISO/IEC
> 14496-22):
>
> CE / TV standards:
>
> 1) DCI Digital Cinema Systems Specification since 2008 by errata (most
> recent is v. 1.3:
> https://www.dcimovies.com/specification/DCI_DCSS_Ver1-3_2018-0627.pdf) –
> mandates ISO/IEC 14496-22 support.
>
> 2) ETSI TS 103 285 V1.1.1 (2015)
> <http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/103200_103299/103285/01.01.01_60/ts_103285v010101p.pdf>
> Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); MPEG-DASH Profile for Transport of ISO
> BMFF Based DVB Services over IP Based Networks (mandates both ISO/IEC
> 14496-22 “OFF” and WOFF)
>
> 3) ATSC 3.0 Interactive Content (A/344:2017,
> https://www.atsc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/A344-2017-Interactive-Content.pdf)
> – mandates both ISO/IEC 14496-22 and WOFF (normative references [20] and
> [35])
>
> 4) Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Globally Executable MHP (GEM)
> Specification 1.3 (including OTT and hybrid broadcast/broadband) DVB
> Document A153:
> https://dvb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/A153_GEM_v1_3.pdf (normatively
> references OpenType via ISO/IEC14496-18, the predecessor of ISO/IEC
> 14496-22). Also,
> https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102728/01.01.01_60/ts_102728v010101p.pdf
>
> 5) Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Multimedia Home Platform (MHP)
> Specification 1.2 (http://wiki.commres.org/pds/MHP/a107.MHP1.2.pdf,
> normatively references OpenType via ISO/IEC14496-18, the predecessor of
> ISO/IEC 14496-22).
>
> 6) OC-SP-OCAP 1.0-I16-050803 OpenCable Application Platform Specification
> (mandates support for OpenType, based on DVB GEM specification)
>
> 7) Hybrid Broadcast Broadband TV (mandates OFF and WOFF support for TTML
> subtitles with downloadable fonts via DVB A168 MPEG-DASH profile [45], and
> also via OIPF Web Standards TV Profile [i.6]):
> https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102796/01.04.01_60/ts_102796v010401p.pdf
>
> 8) DVB TTML subtitling systems (ETSI EN 303 560 V1.1.1 (2018-05), mandates
> both ISO/IEC 14496-22 “OFF” [19] and WOFF [18]):
> https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/303500_303599/303560/01.01.01_60/en_303560v010101p.pdf
>
>
>
> Web font standards:
>
> Both WOFF 1.0 (https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/) and WOFF 2.0 (
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF2/) Recommendations normatively reference OFF
> (ISO/IEC 14496-22).
>
>
>
> Other standards:
>
> 1) DICOM Standard (specifies the set of Information Object Definitions
> (IODs) that provide an abstract definition of real-world objects applicable
> to communication of digital medical information, normatively references
> ISO/IEC 14496-22):
> http://dicom.nema.org/medical/Dicom/2016c/output/chtml/part03/chapter_2.html
>
> 2) Dynamic and Interactive Multimedia Scenes (DIMS) (3GPP TS 26.142
> version 7.3.0 Release 7; ETSI TS 126 142 V7.3.0 (2009-06) – mandates
> support for ISO/IEC 14496-22, normative reference [4]):
> https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/126100_126199/126142/07.03.00_60/ts_126142v070300p.pdf
>
> 3) OMA Rich Media Environment Technical Specification
> (OMA-TS-RME-V1_0-20110329-A, mandates support for ISO/IEC 14496-22 -
> normative reference [OFF]):
> https://www.openmobilealliance.org/release/RME/V1_0-20110329-A/OMA-TS-RME-V1_0-20110329-A.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec-bounces at lists.aau.at> *On Behalf Of *Behdad
> Esfahbod
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:16 PM
> *To:* mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at>
> *Subject:* [MPEG-OTSPEC] Proposal to discontinue the AdHoc Group
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like to propose to the ISO WG overseeing this group to acknowledge that
> the AdHoc model has NOT worked for many in the industry and discontinue
> this model.
>
>
>
> Vlad, can you please add this to agenda for the next meeting of the WG?
>
>
> behdad
> http://behdad.org/
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/LXgFC5yrxRh0ZjxYhzjORk/>
>
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