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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rather than simply identifying (or even worth, trying to retrofit) the ‘offending’ fonts that may contain OS/2 ‘Panose’ values outside of “Latin Text” family kind, I think it would be interesting to see how the existing implementations behave when those font are encountered, and what the outcome is. Knowing whether the “Panose 1.5” values are ignored, result in being misinterpreted or if they actually cause problems would help to get a better understanding of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is not to say that the limitations imposed by the previous versions of the spec should always define the outcome of the future changes – I think it is perfectly normal and reasonable to expect that at some point the new features may be introduced to improve the standard, and that implementations would have to be updated to handle them. In case with Panose field – it seems reasonable to extend the existing functionality from supporting a “Latin Text” only kind to a full Panose spec, and I can definitely see a benefit of extending font matching capabilities to support non-Latin fonts as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vladimir<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Lemon<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 22, 2011 7:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michelle Perham; John Hudson<br><b>Cc:</b> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com; Greg Hitchcock; Simon Daniels<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: FW: [mpeg-OTspec] RE: Proposed changes to the OFF specification<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>That set will unfortunately include some of Adobe's. We're in the process of figuring out which of ours fall into this category. (I suspect it's only a few, but that's TBD.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> David L<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At 1:53 PM -0700 7/22/11, Michelle Perham wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>According to Greg, yes, there is a risk of these problems. What we don't know is how many of these fonts exist.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Michelle<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com]<b> On Behalf Of</b> John Hudson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 22, 2011 10:36 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject:</b> Re: FW: [mpeg-OTspec] RE: Proposed changes to the OFF specification<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>I am aware of some fonts using what Greg labels Panose 1.5 values in the<br>OS/2 table. Am I correct in thinking that there is a risk of these being<br>misinterpreted or, in case of values out of range of Panose 1.0, ignored<br>or causing problems?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>JH<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>David Lemon<br>Sr Manager, Type Development<br>Adobe Systems, Inc.<br><br>408 536 4152<br>lemon@adobe.com<br>http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>