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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#1E66AE" vlink="#1E66AE"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>I received feedback that in the following sentence from the rclt specification:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>> This feature is similar to 'calt', but with the difference that it should not be possible to turn off 'rclt' substitutions: they are considered essential to correct layout of the font.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>“it should not be possible to turn off 'rclt'” is a bit too strong. There are always workflows in which the author may need to turn off even “required” features e.g. when preparing a specimen book chart, or other special-case scenarios.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>I looked at the specification for ‘rlig’ and don’t see any such strong wording. So I propose the following to replace the above quoted sentence:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>> This feature is similar to 'calt', but with the difference that 'rclt' substitutions are considered essential to correct layout of the font.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>The recommendation that this feature “not be turned off, to avoid breaking obligatory shaping” is already in the UI suggestion of the rclt specification proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>2. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Speaking of ‘rlig’, are the Arabic (and other) layout specs going to be updated to include ‘rclt’ as a required feature? rclt sounds like it has the same level of “requiredness” as rlig.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Sairus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Levantovsky, Vladimir<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 06, 2012 1:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Levantovsky, Vladimir; Thomas Phinney; Michelle Perham; OTspec<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [mpeg-OTspec] RE: New work on 3rd edition of the OFF (AHG kick-off)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>  <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I just uploaded an updated version with the description of ‘rclt’ feature added: </span><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mpeg-OTspec/files/20120806-w12847_14496-22_WD1_3rd_ed.zip">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mpeg-OTspec/files/20120806-w12847_14496-22_WD1_3rd_ed.zip</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Please note that the editing period for the 3<sup>rd</sup> edition working draft text is open until the end of August, which means that if there are changes you want to propose and those changes have a consensus approval of the group – we can add them in the draft. After the editing period is over the changes would need to be submitted as input contributions for discussion at the next WG11 meeting so I strongly recommend to consider as much things done as possible until the end of the month.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Vlad</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>