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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="Calibri">I just uploaded “2016-05-20 SVG OT Proposals_Adobe.docx” to <a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpeg-OTspec/files">https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpeg-OTspec/files</a> (in Word format as recommended
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<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">– Three more examples are appended (specifying current text color, color palette variables, inline PNGs)</font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">– Item 3 is split up into 3.1, 3.2, & 3.3 (thus, subsequent unchanged items need not be renumbered). 3.1 & 3.2 help strengthen cross-platform consistency by not implying that OT-SVG
requirements may keep changing (no one wants their fonts to keep being rendered differently). 3.3 clarifies handling of <text> & <foreignObject>: they are simply to be ignored if encountered, just as any external references or scripting are ignored if encountered.</font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">The above changes will all be helpful to implementers, and are based on feedback I’ve gotten. I hope we can fit them in. Any comments or questions are welcome.</font></font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">On the <a href="mailto:www-svg@w3.org">www-svg@w3.org</a> list, I requested a few clarifications to the SVG Integration document as well, a couple of hours ago. <a href="https://lists.w3.org">https://lists.w3.org</a> looks
like it’s down right now, or I’d have provided a link to that message (subject: “Proposed clarifications to the "SVG Integration" doc”).</font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Best,</font></p>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Vladimir Levantovsky <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 6:28 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Sairus Patel <<a href="mailto:sppatel@adobe.com">sppatel@adobe.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: SVG table clarifications & examples<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thank you Sairus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">All, for the sake of full disclosure – here are the links to public archives of the email lists Sairus mentioned in his email below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“SVG in OpenType” Community Group list:
<a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svgopentype/">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svgopentype/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Vladimir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sairus Patel <a href="mailto:sppatel@adobe.com">sppatel@adobe.com</a> [mpeg-OTspec]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Levantovsky, Vladimir; <a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpeg-OTspec] Re: SVG table clarifications & examples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I’d like to submit a ballot comment indicating a desire to clarify the SVG 2–related aspects of the SVG table spec (e.g. context-fill & color palette variables),
& to provide examples thereof in the OFF spec itself, since SVG 2 is in “Working Draft” stage. Also, the relationship of OFF’s SVG table to the W3C’s SVG Integration spec needs to be studied some more, since some data is duplicated in both specs, & each spec
has important information not present in the other spec. Some minor refactoring may be in order.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I’ve received feedback, including some notes of concern, on some of the areas of the spec mentioned above. Taking the time to clarify these would result in
a more implementable spec, which can only be good for the OFF/OT ecosystem (font tool creators, font designers, font engines in apps & OSes, & so on).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Note that several aspects of the proposals I submitted earlier in this thread – e.g. what SVG’s version attribute means – were discussed on the <a href="mailto:www-svg@w3.org">www-svg@w3.org</a>
& <a href="mailto:public-svgopentype@w3.org">public-svgopentype@w3.org</a> lists (public archives are available).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Vladimir Levantovsky <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sairus Patel <<a href="mailto:sppatel@adobe.com">sppatel@adobe.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: SVG table clarifications & examples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thank you Sairus for submitting the proposed changes for the AHG review.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">All, please review the suggested new language and respond to this list with your comments. Most of the proposed changes attempt to clarify the role
of the rendering engine and by doing so make certain implied actions normative. I don’t see any significant changes in specified font rendering behavior between the current and newly proposed language of the spec but because it does directly affects the rendering
implementations I’d like to ask all interested parties to review and approve the proposal.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We don’t have too much time left to discuss the changes *<b>if</b>* we intend to submit them as part of the ballot comments due on April 27. One possible
option (if more time for discussion is necessary) is to submit a ballot comment providing a general description of the desired changes and accompany it by a separate input document prepared for consideration at the next MPEG meeting. This way, we would be
able to extend the absolute deadline from Apr. 27 to May 24<sup>th</sup> when the input contributions are due (which gives us almost 4 more weeks to discuss the details and agree on the specific language if there are any objections), and the next meeting will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;"><a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sairus Patel <a href="mailto:sppatel@adobe.com">sppatel@adobe.com</a> [mpeg-OTspec]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:opentype-list@indx.co.uk">opentype-list@indx.co.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpeg-OTspec] SVG table clarifications & examples</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Please see “2016-04-10 SVG OT Proposals_Adobe.docx” at <a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpeg-OTspec/files">https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mpeg-OTspec/files</a> (in
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