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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ken, Peter, all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Ken for opening the issue and for suggesting the edits to the text of the Note. I will make the same changes in the proposed input contribution and will upload it to MPEG document repository.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Vlad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com <mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Lunde lunde@adobe.com [mpeg-OTspec]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpeg-OTspec] [OpenType] Typo in CFF2 specification?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Peter, <br>
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I just opened Issue #244 for this: <br>
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<a href="https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/typography-issues/issues/244">https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/typography-issues/issues/244</a>
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Vladimir: Note that I inserted an "a" before sentinel and uint16, and also changed "using Format3 table cannot be larger than" to "when using FDSelect Format 3 cannot exceed."
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Regards... <br>
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-- Ken <br>
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> On May 25, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com">petercon@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:
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> <br>
> That would have to wait for a new version of the OT spec. <br>
> <br>
> @Vlad: Can you please indicate where you would insert — you can communicate that as would be stated in an amendment of 14496-22.
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> <br>
> Thanks <br>
> Peter <br>
> <br>
> From: <a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>> On Behalf Of Ken Lunde
<a href="mailto:lunde@adobe.com">lunde@adobe.com</a> [mpeg-OTspec] <br>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 5:57 AM <br>
> To: Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:vladimir.levantovsky@monotype.com">vladimir.levantovsky@monotype.com</a>>
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> Cc: <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>>
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> Subject: Re: [mpeg-OTspec] [OpenType] Typo in CFF2 specification? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Vladimir, <br>
> <br>
> I agree about adding the same clarifying note to the OpenType Specification.. <br>
> <br>
> Regards... <br>
> <br>
> -- Ken <br>
> <br>
> > On May 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, 'Levantovsky, Vladimir' <a href="mailto:vladimir.levantovsky@monotype.com">
vladimir.levantovsky@monotype.com</a> [mpeg-OTspec] <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec-noreply@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec-noreply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
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> > <br>
> > [Attachment(s) from Levantovsky, Vladimir included below] <br>
> > Dear Ken, all, <br>
> > <br>
> > Please see attached the draft of the proposed input contribution that addresses the changes we discussed earlier on this list. Please note that in addition to proposing changes for all numerical references to correct glyph count from 65536 to 65535, I also
included the proposed text of the informative note in the end of the description for FDSelect Format3. I think it would be useful to insert the same clarifying note in the OpenType spec.
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> > <br>
> > Thank you, <br>
> > Vlad <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>> On Behalf Of Ken Lunde
<a href="mailto:lunde@adobe.com[mpeg-OTspec">lunde@adobe.com[mpeg-OTspec</a>] <br>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:22 PM <br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:opentype-list@indx.co.uk">opentype-list@indx.co.uk</a>; <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec@yahoogroups.com</a>>
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> > Subject: Re: [mpeg-OTspec] Re: [OpenType] Typo in CFF2 specification? <br>
> > <br>
> > Behdad, <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Right. I clicked "send" on my reply to your reply at the same time as your followup to your reply came in, hence the apparent disconnect, which was made further confusing by the lag in the mailing lists. Thank you for clarifying.
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> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Will someone take an action to correct this in both versions of the spec? <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Regards... <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > -- Ken <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > > On Apr 11, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:
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> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > Hi Ken, <br>
> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > As I said, you are right. All instances of 65536 should be 65535. Not because of the sentinel you mention. But because the "number of items" encoded in 16bits maxes out at 65535.
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> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ken Lunde <a href="mailto:lunde@adobe.com">
lunde@adobe.com</a> [mpeg-OTspec] <<a href="mailto:mpeg-OTspec-noreply@yahoogroups.com">mpeg-OTspec-noreply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
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> > <br>
> > > Behdad, <br>
> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > To clarify, would that mean that the valid GID range for Table 12 FDSelect Format 3 and Table 13 Range3 Record Format is 0 through 65535 (and not 0 through 65534)? Given that there is a sentinel CID, I would think that the usable GID range would be 0
through 65534 (65,535 glyphs), not 0 through 65535 (65,536 glyphs). To quote from the "Table 13 Range3 Record Format" section:
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> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > "A sentinel GID follows the last range element and serves to delimit the last range in the array. The sentinel GID is set equal to the number of glyphs in the font. That is, its value is 1 greater than the last GID in the font."
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> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > Regards... <br>
> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > -- Ken <br>
> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > > On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Behdad Esfahbod via OpenType <<a href="mailto:opentype-listmaster@indx.co.uk">opentype-listmaster@indx.co.uk</a>> wrote:
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> > <br>
> > > > Message from OpenType list: <br>
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> > <br>
> > > >> ****** Attachments to this email message have been removed ****** <br>
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> > > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > > I think only the second instance in this quote is wrong: <br>
> > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > <br>
> > > > *Note:* While FDSelect format 4 allows for more than 65536 glyphs, other <br>
> > <br>
> > > > parts of the OpenType format, such as the numGlyphs field of the 'maxp' <br>
> > <br>
> > > > table, are still constrained to 65536 glyphs. <br>
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> > <br>
> > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:37 PM Ken Lunde via OpenType < <br>
> > <br>
> > > > <a href="mailto:opentype-listmaster@indx.co.uk">opentype-listmaster@indx.co.uk</a>> wrote:
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> > <br>
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> > > >> Message from OpenType list: <br>
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> > > >> All, <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> Can someone double check to make sure that all instances of "65536" in the
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> > <br>
> > > >> CFF2 specification are correct? See: <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> <br>
> > <br>
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> > > >> <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> Given that the valid GID range for CFF is 0 through 65534 (65,535 glyphs),
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> > <br>
> > > >> my understanding is that "65536" should instead be "65535," unless CFF2 was
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> > <br>
> > > >> architected in a way that allows 65,536 glyphs. <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> Regards... <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> <br>
> > <br>
> > > >> -- Ken <br>
> > <br>
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