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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Friday, August 14, 2020 1:12 AM Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">You'll have to forgive me for sounding rather partisan,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Forgiven! You should prioritize your sleep too!
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">but emailing around docx files seems to me rather inefficient :) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes, it is, but there are realities we can’t change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On top of that, the ISO SC29 have been undergoing some major org changes lately, so things are a little bit out of hands because of all the transitions happening
now. It was relatively easy to find a public link for the output document of the previous meeting, not so much (yet) for the latest one, which I emailed a copy of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Nevertheless, I took a look and from the attached:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Mandates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">1. To study the technical issues outlined in the liaison statements from SC34 (m52545) and from CSS WG (m52854)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">2. Identify possible approaches to solving confirmed technical issues, and communicate with the members of CSS WG to discuss and resolve any identified ambiguities that need clarifications, or requirements for new
features and technology to support new functionality.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">3. Develop and propose to WG11 the items that would become the basis for a new work item, and suggest a way forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Where are the documents referenced in (1)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Input documents (as is the case here) are produced by their contributing members and it’s up to them whether they decide to make them public. In this particular
case, the liaison letter from SC34 isn’t public and is only accessible to accredited members of the SC29 behind the login, but the liaison from CSS WG is public (</span><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2020Feb/att-0005/CSS-SC29-20200113.pdf">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2020Feb/att-0005/CSS-SC29-20200113.pdf</a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">),
and I made it available as part of the original announcement back in February this year (</span><a href="https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2020-February/001770.html">https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2020-February/001770.html</a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">(2) seems to be a follow on from (1)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">But (3) seems perfect as that's the majority of the recent conversation on this list :) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes and yes!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My suggestion about a github repo seems to fall within (3), too? :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The discussions we are conducting on this list as part of the AHG activities definitely fall within mandate 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, when it comes to creating a GitHub repo - it may not be as easy as we might hope. Ideally, having the whole text of OFF in public GitHub repo would be
a good thing, and each proposed change would have an associated set of issues attached, but I am not sure how to get around copyrights issue – I am trying to get guidance on this. Even though ISO/IEC 14406-22 “Open Font Format” is a publicly available document
(</span><a href="https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/">https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/</a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">) and anyone can get their own free copy
of it – you do have to click through the copyright disclaimer before ISO allows you to download a copy. In essence, every user gets a copy that is directly licensed to him/her, it’s free to use but not free for all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Vlad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 10:35 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Here is the one from previous meeting in April 2020:
<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/UyCsCrkv5mt8Mn0RH2_D_-" target="_blank">
https://mpeg.chiariglione.org/sites/default/files/files/meetings/docs/w19174%20-%20AHGs.docx</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I will need to do some digging to find a public link to the most recent one from July (the document
is attached).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Vlad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Crossland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com" target="_blank">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Updates to specification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:28 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com" target="_blank">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">With my AHG chair hat on, in addition to what I mentioned earlier [about the importance of having an
open forum that offers unrestricted access to any willing participant], what I didn’t mention is that establishing that forum isn’t strictly up to us – it is up to the ISO WG to establish the AHG and choose the provider who will be hosting that group’s email
list. The list of established AHGs with the information about their approved mandates, email lists, and how to join them is published after every Working Group meeting – this is how the assurances are made that it is truly open for anyone interested to join.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Got it. Who is on the ISO WG for OFF, and where is the most recent publication as you described? :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Of the several places where discussions have arisen in the last few years, most of them are such Github repos:<o:p></o:p></p>
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(1) meta discussions about how to make font format spec updates - here, on Twitter.com, and TypeDrawers.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
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(2) editorial change ideas happening here and in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/spNTC31pvysp39JgfqWUaS" target="_blank">https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/typography-issues/issues</a> and <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/8AA0C4xqwzFBP9Q2uBiDyH" target="_blank">https://www.commontype.org</a> .<o:p></o:p></p>
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(3) technical change ideas happening here and in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/JKtIC5yrxRhZ8pQPh22ZaE" target="_blank">https://github.com/opentype</a> ,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/6XkFC73wzpCAMVxXuR9vsm" target="_blank">https://github.com/commontype-standard</a> ,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/mE2dC82xAMh63PZ5HzhAS_" target="_blank">https://github.com/be5invis/OTVAR-ZVAR-Table</a> ,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/Iz6MC9ryBDhknNgWFZJO_P" target="_blank">https://github.com/microsoft/OpenTypeDesignVariationAxisTags</a> ,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/UATEC0Rmp0uGvgDXcokCc3" target="_blank">https://github.com/googlefonts/colr-gradients-spec</a> and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/dAJHCgJGKnTA6wx1u6mBGJ" target="_blank">https://github.com/microsoft/OpenType-XVAR-proposal</a> .<o:p></o:p></p>
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(4) efforts to consolidate the 'script development specs' such as <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/6IjwCjRkM0unEGM4UgLzAw" target="_blank">https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/script-development/bengali</a> from MS, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/12QzClYmL2U2GP5wIlIzWf/" target="_blank">https://github.com/n8willis/opentype-shaping-documents/</a> from Nathan Willis, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/LRyXCmZn6YIjXPKoCM2b95" target="_blank">https://github.com/typotheque/text-shaping</a> from Liang Hai, and related tools like <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/2_iBCo20Kjhr9PLVUBgqSl" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/LindenbergSW/fontdoctools/src/master/R%C3%B6ntgen.md</a> from Norbert Lindenberg.<o:p></o:p></p>
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So, to the subject line, if any of these efforts want to land changes in the OFF spec, mailing suggestions to this list and expecting Vlad to copy and paste text from email app to document editor app seems a bit... cruel :) Clearly this is a solved problem
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you Dave, this is a very impressive and comprehensive list of resources, and very useful to have
handy for future references.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I also forgot to mention the other email lists: there's the Yahoo one that was migrated successfully to the archives here, the
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indx.co.uk</a> one, and at least 2 on <a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/apEbCqxr5lF8BkPyHjlXhK" target="_blank">
unicode.org</a>, for layout and for variations. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">When it comes to editorial efforts, while certain things may definitely become easier to handle, I
don’t expect that everything can be automated. ISO Directives impose certain specific guidelines on project editors on how ISO documents need to be written / structured, they have their own lingo of sorts (ISO English if you will) – the latest amendment available
for download from publicly available standards is a good example, and had to be rewritten using recently updated guidelines (which means that “cruel work of copying / pasting” had to be repeated to a degree, since my early draft didn’t comply with updated
requirements. J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And, does that mean there is a persistent delta between the MS Typography site OT spec and the OFF spec text? <o:p></o:p></p>
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Given 'here' is somewhat random Austrian university mailman, can the AHG have such a Github repo? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A caveat – “here” being “Austrian university mailman” isn’t random – it is what MPEG approved to be
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What I meant by "random" is in a sense to echo the point I made that the list is obscure: I doubt anyone will guess "oh yes, to discuss this font format, I should join an Austrian
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seeing any...<o:p></o:p></p>
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out whether it would be possible to move the maintenance work of the OFF standard to GitHub, but have not heard back yet. I will ping them again to see if we can get it going, hopefully soon.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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