<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class="auto-created-dir-div" dir="ltr" style="unicode-bidi: embed;"><style>p{margin:0}</style><div>Thank you for explaining.</div><p><br></p><p>> <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; box-sizing: border-box;">P.S. I believe (but I am not 100% sure) that in the UK, the official national standards organization who is ISO member is BSI (</span><a style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: underline;" href="https://shop.bsigroup.com/Navigate-by/Membership/" target="_blank">https://shop.bsigroup.com/Navigate-by/Membership/</a><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; box-sizing: border-box;">).</span></p><p><span style="text-align: left; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; word-spacing: 0px; display: inline !important; white-space: pre-wrap; orphans: 2; float: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <br/>Yes, it is BSI.<br/><br/>BSI kindly forwarded a slide show that I produced to ISO.<br/><br/>There was a good chance that it was to be presented at a plenary meeting in June 2020 but alas the meeting did not take place due to the COVID-19 pandemic situation.<br/><br/>The slide show is available for anyone who is interested.<br/><br/>Here is a link<br/><br/>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/slide_show_about_localizable_sentences.pdf<br/><br/>Best results are obtained by downloading from<br/><br/>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_research.htm<br/><br/>and reading using Adobe Reader.<br/><br/>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/<br/><br/>The webspace is safe to use. It is hosted on a server run by PlusNet PLC, an internet service provider. I upload using ftp. The webspace is not on my computer.<br/><br/>Best regards,<br/><br/>William<br/><br/></span></p><div><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike><br></div><p><br></p><blockquote style="margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 2em; border-left:2px solid #00ADE5; white-space: pre-wrap "><br><br>------ Original Message ------<br>From: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com><br>To: "wjgo_10009@btinternet.com" <wjgo_10009@btinternet.com>; "Dave Crossland" <dcrossland@google.com><br>Cc: "mpeg-otspec" <mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at><br>Sent: Friday, 2020 Aug 14 At 18:14<br>Subject: RE: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Updates to specification<br><br> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">By default, every input and output document is made available to accredited committee members only, and is stored in a repository that is password-protected. The work of any ISO Subcommittee and/or its Working Group(s) is open to any accredited expert who is nominated by their National Standards Organization (or National Body, who is the official ISO Member) but that nomination comes with the strings attached – rules of conduct, policies and procedures one must adhere to, etc. A Committee or a Working Group can make a decision to make their output documents public, but they have no rights to disclose any information they receive as input contributions, it is up to sole discretion of the contributor to decide if they want to make their contribution publicly available.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Hope this helps,</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Vladimir</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">P.S. I believe (but I am not 100% sure) that in the UK, the official national standards organization who is ISO member is BSI (</span><a href="https://shop.bsigroup.com/Navigate-by/Membership/" target="_blank">https://shop.bsigroup.com/Navigate-by/Membership/</a><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">).</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border: none;border-top: solid rgb(225,225,225) 1.0pt;padding: 3.0pt 0.0in 0.0in 0.0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> <span class="wt_Email">wjgo_10009@btinternet.com</span> <<span class="wt_Email">wjgo_10009@btinternet.com</span>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 14, 2020 11:40 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Dave Crossland <<span class="wt_Email">dcrossland@google.com</span>>; Levantovsky, Vladimir <<span class="wt_Email">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</span>><br> <b>Cc:</b> mpeg-otspec <<span class="wt_Email">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</span>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Updates to specification</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">> <span style="color: rgb(31,73,125);">When it comes to input documents, it depends on the source.</span><span style="font-family: Arial , sans-serif;color: black;background: white;"> </span></p> </div> <p> </p> <p>Can you explain why please?</p> <p> </p> <p>If something is submitted to a committee for consideration for including in an international standard, why is it confidential?</p> <p> </p> <p style="orphans: 2;word-spacing: 0.0px;"> <span style="font-family: Arial , sans-serif;color: black;">Why is it allowed to be confidential?</span></p> <p> </p> <p>Maybe there is a good reason.</p> <p> </p> <p>William Overington</p> <p> </p> <p style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Friday 14 August 2020</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><br> <br> ------ Original Message ------<br> From: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com"><span class="wt_Email">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</span></a>><br> To: "Peter Constable" <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com"><span class="wt_Email">pgcon6@msn.com</span></a>>; "Dave Crossland" <<a href="mailto:dcrossland@google.com"><span class="wt_Email">dcrossland@google.com</span></a>><br> Cc: "mpeg-otspec" <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at"><span class="wt_Email">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</span></a>><br> Sent: Friday, 2020 Aug 14 At 16:25<br> Subject: Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Updates to specification</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: rgb(31,73,125);">Some of the output documents produced by the ISO WG (like e.g. List of AHGs) can be made available to the public, but it is again a Committee decision to do so. When it comes to input documents, it depends on the source.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: rgb(31,73,125);">Vlad</span></p> <div> <div style="border: none;border-top: solid rgb(225,225,225) 1.0pt;padding: 3.0pt 0.0in 0.0in 0.0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b>From:</b> Peter Constable <<span class="wtemail"><a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com"><span class="wt_Email">pgcon6@msn.com</span></a></span>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 14, 2020 1:40 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Dave Crossland <<span class="wtemail"><a href="mailto:dcrossland@google.com"><span class="wt_Email">dcrossland@google.com</span></a></span>>; Levantovsky, Vladimir <<span class="wtemail"><a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com"><span class="wt_Email">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</span></a></span>><br> <b>Cc:</b> mpeg-otspec <<span class="wtemail"><a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at"><span class="wt_Email">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</span></a></span>><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Updates to specification</p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">><span style="font-family: Arial , sans-serif;"> Where are the documents referenced in (1)?</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Welcome to how ISO operates. The JTC1/SC29/WG11 documents can all be found at</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/C_boCYEnxytLYogPC0QzXP" target="_blank">https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objid=8916126&objaction=ndocslist</a></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">And they’re all under lock and key, accessible only if your country’s standards body has nominated you as an expert to participate in WG11.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Peter</p> <div> <blockquote style="border: none;border-left: solid rgb(0,173,229) 1.5pt;padding: 0.0in 0.0in 0.0in 24.0pt;margin-left: 0.0in;margin-right: 0.0in;"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote></div></body></html>