<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 12:02 AM Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com">pgcon6@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s best not to bring up specific patents in cross-company discussions since some companies have policies requiring employees to exit discussions if other parties mention any specifics regarding patents. (Triple indemnity being a bit scary
and all.)</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">There are a lot of new people here, like myself, who have no idea about this kind of "unwritten rule," so I'm very grateful for your shedding light on this. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does "exit discussions" mean not posting on this thread, or this mailing list?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-403638498956733729WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>I will say that I was a party in some patents in my time at MS that were filed solely for defensive purposes, never with any intent to charge licensing fees.</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Right, and my name is on some Google patents for font UI stuff, which I am fine with for the same reasons. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But isn't the point of a formal standards body to get that intent turned into something in writing? And is that what OFF means? Or isn't it? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since the MATH table is in OFF, this seemed like a good case study for informing the future of 32 bit GIDs and so on that Li Renzhi just mentioned.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But I'm happy to talk, without a specific existing case study, about hypotheticals. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-403638498956733729WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> In the font space, I’d suggest that licensing fees could result in diverging formats and renewed font wars, which nobody wants. It’s not like video formats or something that takes rocket science to eke out the next leap in performance.
Nobody significantly benefits if fonts don’t just work everywhere.</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">I certainly don't want renewed Font Wars, and that's why I'm raising this topic. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In order to prevent it, I want to see a clear path forwards for fixing long-standing problems with OFF within the OFF development process... </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And I want to confirm that the OFF process does actually guarantee "just works everywhere," because it ensures patents don't require licensing as written policy. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-403638498956733729WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dcrossland@google.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dcrossland@google.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 21, 2020 8:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pgcon6@msn.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] MATH Encumbrance<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is that because of a MPEG OFF patent policy applying to <a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatents.google.com%2Fpatent%2FUS7492366&data=02%7C01%7C%7C53c05d63fab6437ad0f208d84648bf3b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637336625538947643&sdata=wk5EfhxAX6gD%2B3hDij9qdiT2Utl%2F%2BzcYDqqwvgScpzU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7492366</a> that means a license isn't required?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 9:29 PM Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pgcon6@msn.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Crossland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 21, 2020 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [MPEG-OTSPEC] MATH Encumbrance<u></u><u></u></p>
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