<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:58 PM Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dcrossland@google.com">dcrossland@google.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 8:32 PM Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 2:11 PM Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pgcon6@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that there’s a good case study in that TrueType/TTO/OpenType have been with us for about 30 years and that, AFAIK, there have never been any patent suites or demands for licensing royalties throughout that time. (Someone
correct me if I’m overlooking something.)</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's not enough. Fedora continued turning off subpixel-rendering and bytecode-interpretter in FreeType as long as the relevant MS patents were not expired.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those were held by Apple, as I recall</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Subpixel-rendering was ClearType.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at</a>> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>John Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] MATH Encumbrance<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave wrote, in response to Peter:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will say that I was a party in some patents in my time at MS that were filed solely for defensive purposes, never with any intent to charge licensing fees.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right, and my name is on some Google patents for font UI stuff, which I am fine with for the same reasons. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But isn't the point of a formal standards body to get that intent turned into something in writing? And is that what OFF means? Or isn't it? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Indeed, from my perspective, having a clear patent policy is the primary (sole?) virtue of the ISO standardisation of OFF.
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<p>The MS math layout patents are yet another case of lack of explicit statement creating potential uncertainty. We can accept the likelihood that the patents were registered for defensive purposes, and that Microsoft would not seek licensing fees or restrict
use based on those or other patents related to fonts, but likelihood and goodwill are not certainty.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Dave is right that inclusion in OFF should be a good case study of patents in the format.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>JH<u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre>John Hudson<u></u><u></u></pre>
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