<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class="auto-created-dir-div" dir="ltr" style="unicode-bidi: embed;"><style>p{margin:0}</style><p>> <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">Indeed, from my perspective, having a clear patent policy is the primary (sole?) virtue of the ISO standardisation of OFF.<br/><br/>Some people and organizations might also like to be able to say that they are using an International Standard, not something linked to a commercial organization.<br/><br/>For example, in my novels I refer to the Universal Character Set not Unicode as I do not want to mention brand names.<br/><br/>As well as "fonts work everywhere" one could have "fonts made by anybody work everywhere".<br/><br/>I do not claim to be expert at making fonts, yet <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">nevertheless, </span>since <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">"fonts made by anybody work everywhere" I can install fonts made by me at home using the High-Logic FontCreator program in Windows 10 on my laptop computer and then use them in Serif PagePlus desktop publishing software to produce PDFs using font subset embedding that can be displayed using Adobe Reader, published on the web and deposited at The British Library.<br/><br/>For example, the title in the PDFs available from the following web page. The font used for the body text was bundled with <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">Serif PagePlus.<br/><br/>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/Gluten-free_Vegan_Purée_Foods_Futuristic.htm<br/><br/>For example, the symbols in the following.<br/><br/>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_the_novel_chapter_042.pdf<br/><br/>The fonts that I produced have also been deposited at The British Library and accepted because they have been published.<br/><br/>Yet the font used in this publication has not been deposited <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">at The British Library as it is my personal font and has not been published, though the PDF has been deposited.<br/><br/></span>http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_the_novel_author_note_after_chapter_046.pdf<br/><br/>So not commercial fonts, not made by an organization, not made by an expert font maker, yet perhaps good examples of the benefits of <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px;">"fonts made by anybody work everywhere".<br/><br/>William Overington<br/><br/>Monday 24 August 2020<br/></span></span></span></span><br></p><blockquote style="margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 2em; border-left:2px solid #00ADE5; white-space: pre-wrap "><br>------ Original Message ------<br>From: "John Hudson" <john@tiro.ca><br>To: mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at<br>Sent: Sunday, 2020 Aug 23 At 19:15<br>Subject: Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] MATH Encumbrance<br><br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dave wrote, in response to Peter:<br> </div> <blockquote> <div dir="auto"> <div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"> <div> <div class="m_-403638498956733729WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal">I will say that I was a party in some patents in my time at MS that were filed solely for defensive purposes, never with any intent to charge licensing fees.</p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div dir="auto">Right, and my name is on some Google patents for font UI stuff, which I am fine with for the same reasons. </div> <div dir="auto"><br> </div> <div dir="auto">But isn't the point of a formal standards body to get that intent turned into something in writing? And is that what OFF means? Or isn't it? </div> </blockquote> <p>Indeed, from my perspective, having a clear patent policy is the primary (sole?) virtue of the ISO standardisation of OFF. <br> </p> <p>The MS math layout patents are yet another case of lack of explicit statement creating potential uncertainty. We can accept the likelihood that the patents were registered for defensive purposes, and that Microsoft would not seek licensing fees or restrict use based on those or other patents related to fonts, but likelihood and goodwill are not certainty.<br> </p> <p> Dave is right that inclusion in OFF should be a good case study of patents in the format.</p> <p>JH<br> </p> <pre class="moz-signature">-- <br/><br/>John Hudson<br/>Tiro Typeworks Ltd <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tiro.com" target="_blank">www.tiro.com</a><br/>Salish Sea, BC <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tiro@tiro.com"><span class="wt_Email">tiro@tiro.com</span><span></span></a><br/><br/>NOTE: In the interests of productivity, I am currently <br/>dealing with email on only two days per week, usually <br/>Monday and Thursday unless this schedule is disrupted <br/>by travel. If you need to contact me urgently, please <br/>use some other method of communication. Thank you.</pre> <hr>_______________________________________________<br><br/>mpeg-otspec mailing list<br><br/><span class="wt_Email">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</span><span></span><br><br/><a href="https://lists.aau.at/mailman/listinfo/mpeg-otspec" target="_blank">https://lists.aau.at/mailman/listinfo/mpeg-otspec</a><br><br/></blockquote></div></body></html>