<div dir="ltr">Can EVERYONE who agrees that my complaint should be heard by a fair and impartial group of people with authority to change how OFF operates please express their agreement via a reply please?<div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">behdad<br><a href="http://behdad.org/" target="_blank">http://behdad.org/</a></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:38 AM Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com" target="_blank">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Behdad,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Asking the ISO/IEC SC29 Working Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>to acknowledge that the AdHoc model has NOT worked for many in the industry<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">is a strong request, one that cannot be made without providing any substance to support it.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great. Where can I submit the evidence? My allegations involve you, Peter, Sairus, and Greg. So the party hearing my complaints cannot include any of you four because conflict of interest.</div><div><br></div><div>I've been asking you since June or July about how to file a complaint and you have refused to give me an answer. At the last video meeting you said "I don't know", but you didn't say that when I first asked you in writing. Instead you asked to video-call and just told me to NOT file a complaint because it will threaten the existence of the AHG. The existence of the AHG benefits you personally.</div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is especially important when there is a strong evidence to the contrary, that this work has been successfully conducted since 2004, that the OFF standard
(ISO/IEC 14496-22) has undergone four editions (in 2007, 2009, 2015, and 2019) and numerous amendments,</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Seriously? You, as the chair of this MOFF / AHG whatever, are so blatantly dismissing my allegations that there are problems? I'm a *very* well-established expert and prolific member of this community and I've been alleging for three months now that THERE IS A PROBLEM.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> and is widely adopted in the industry (see References below). While the WG has been responsible for this work item, the actual work has been done by the
AHG. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Can you please elaborate on what, in your opinion, “has NOT worked”? Can you point out to any instance of a technical discussion conducted in this Ad-Hoc Group
where a technical objection has been raised that did not receive due consideration and has not been properly reflected in an AHG proposal or recommendation?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I will to a fair and impartial group of people who have authority to make changes.</div><div><br></div><div>b</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">References (list of industry standards normatively referencing ISO/IEC 14496-22):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">CE / TV standards:<span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">1) DCI Digital Cinema Systems Specification since 2008 by errata (most recent is v. 1.3:
<a href="https://www.dcimovies.com/specification/DCI_DCSS_Ver1-3_2018-0627.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.dcimovies.com/specification/DCI_DCSS_Ver1-3_2018-0627.pdf</a>) – mandates ISO/IEC 14496-22 support.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2) <span style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">
<a href="http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/103200_103299/103285/01.01.01_60/ts_103285v010101p.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:black">ETSI TS 103 285 V1.1.1 (2015)</span></a> Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); MPEG-DASH Profile for Transport of ISO BMFF Based DVB Services
over IP Based Networks (mandates both ISO/IEC 14496-22 “OFF” and WOFF)<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">3) </span>ATSC 3.0 Interactive Content (A/344:2017,
<a href="https://www.atsc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/A344-2017-Interactive-Content.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.atsc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/A344-2017-Interactive-Content.pdf</a>) – mandates both ISO/IEC 14496-22 and WOFF (normative references [20] and [35])<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4) Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Globally Executable MHP (GEM) Specification 1.3 (including OTT and hybrid broadcast/broadband) DVB Document A153:
<a href="https://dvb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/A153_GEM_v1_3.pdf" target="_blank">https://dvb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/A153_GEM_v1_3.pdf</a> (normatively references OpenType via ISO/IEC14496-18, the predecessor of ISO/IEC 14496-22). Also,
<a href="https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102728/01.01.01_60/ts_102728v010101p.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102728/01.01.01_60/ts_102728v010101p.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5) Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Multimedia Home Platform (MHP) Specification 1.2 (<a href="http://wiki.commres.org/pds/MHP/a107.MHP1.2.pdf" target="_blank">http://wiki.commres.org/pds/MHP/a107.MHP1.2.pdf</a>, normatively references OpenType via ISO/IEC14496-18,
the predecessor of ISO/IEC 14496-22).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6) OC-SP-OCAP 1.0<span style="color:black">-</span><span style="color:black">I16-050803 OpenCable Application Platform Specification (mandates support for OpenType, based on DVB GEM specification)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">7) Hybrid Broadcast Broadband TV (mandates OFF and WOFF support for TTML subtitles with downloadable fonts via DVB A168 MPEG-DASH profile [45], and also via OIPF Web Standards TV Profile [i.6]):
<a href="https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102796/01.04.01_60/ts_102796v010401p.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102796/01.04.01_60/ts_102796v010401p.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">8) DVB TTML subtitling systems (ETSI EN 303 560 V1.1.1 (2018-05), mandates both ISO/IEC 14496-22 “OFF” [19] and WOFF [18]):
<a href="https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/303500_303599/303560/01.01.01_60/en_303560v010101p.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/303500_303599/303560/01.01.01_60/en_303560v010101p.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Web font standards:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Both WOFF 1.0 (<a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/</a>) and WOFF 2.0 (<a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF2/" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF2/</a>) Recommendations normatively reference OFF (ISO/IEC 14496-22).
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<p class="MsoNormal">Other standards:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1) <span style="color:black">DICOM Standard (specifies the set of Information Object Definitions (IODs) that provide an abstract definition of real-world objects applicable to communication of digital medical information, normatively references
ISO/IEC 14496-22):</span> <a href="http://dicom.nema.org/medical/Dicom/2016c/output/chtml/part03/chapter_2.html" target="_blank">
http://dicom.nema.org/medical/Dicom/2016c/output/chtml/part03/chapter_2.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2) Dynamic and Interactive Multimedia Scenes (DIMS) (3GPP TS 26.142 version 7.3.0 Release 7; ETSI TS 126 142 V7.3.0 (2009-06) – mandates support for ISO/IEC 14496-22, normative reference [4]):
<a href="https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/126100_126199/126142/07.03.00_60/ts_126142v070300p.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/126100_126199/126142/07.03.00_60/ts_126142v070300p.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3) OMA Rich Media Environment Technical Specification (OMA-TS-RME-V1_0-20110329-A, mandates support for ISO/IEC 14496-22 - normative reference [OFF]):
<a href="https://www.openmobilealliance.org/release/RME/V1_0-20110329-A/OMA-TS-RME-V1_0-20110329-A.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.openmobilealliance.org/release/RME/V1_0-20110329-A/OMA-TS-RME-V1_0-20110329-A.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Behdad Esfahbod<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [MPEG-OTSPEC] Proposal to discontinue the AdHoc Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/LXgFC5yrxRh0ZjxYhzjORk/" target="_blank">http://behdad.org/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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