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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Friday, October 2, 2020 6:31 PM Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 4:16 PM Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">I like to propose to the ISO WG overseeing this group to acknowledge that the AdHoc model has NOT worked for many in the industry and discontinue this model.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 2:47 PM Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">> Moving forward, I'm also going to object to ANY proposal that was NOT developed in the open on this mailing list. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:11.55pt">Behdad, will you post a retraction of your proposal to discontinue the AHG, as your recent above statement seems completely contradictory to me. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In my opinion, the proposal to discontinue the AHG has no merit, and isn’t something that this AHG could even consider – this is the WG business. The WG establishes
AHG with the specific mandates and for specific purpose, which is done according to the rules defined in JTC1 Supplement, clause 1.14.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In the video the original submitter of the proposal published on YouTube (<a href="https://youtu.be/9vSLkriYBFs">https://youtu.be/9vSLkriYBFs</a>), he admitted
[at 2:48:00 timestamp] his total lack of knowledge and understanding of how AHGs are established and operate, and he further admitted [at 2:58:03 timestamp] that the proposal to discontinue the AHG was simply a ploy to get attention to his allegations of wrongdoing
that the OP did not substantiate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Furthermore, in his other messages to the list (<a href="https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2020-September/002474.html">https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/2020-September/002474.html</a>)
and in his public post on Twitter (</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black;background:white"><a href="https://twitter.com/behdadesfahbod/status/1309574992514805761?s=20">https://twitter.com/behdadesfahbod/status/1309574992514805761?s=20</a></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D;background:white">,
also see below</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">He made it clear that the actual events prompting him to file a complaint with ISO have nothing to do with the business conducted in this AHG – it was simply
conceived as a way of gaining more leverage in a dispute that happened between two parties conducting their private business on a private email list.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Therefore, it is my opinion that the complaint against this AHG has no merit. It was an attempt to use this group and ISO organization as a pawn to exert pressure
in resolving a private disagreement. The proposal to discontinue the work of this AHG was an attempt of obstruction of our work, an intent that’s been further confirmed by his email on Oct. 1<sup>st</sup>, saying “</span>Moving forward, I'm also going to object
to ANY proposal that was NOT developed in the open on this mailing list.<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Vladimir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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