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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:52 PM Behdad Esfahbod wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Also, procedurally, please help me understand. I thought you vote with your SC29/WG3 member representative hat on at the WG3 meeting, NOT here on the AHG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Correction: as a SC29/WG3 member who is also a member of this AHG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">So I expect the proposal to be rolled up to WG3, and you can then vote on it there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nothing is ever rolled up, unless we have a consensus within this AHG to recommend something to be considered by the WG. The WG members can choose to submit their
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Am I missing something?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/dZzcC1wnqGSpqRPOULZY4H/" target="_blank">http://behdad.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:50 PM Behdad Esfahbod <<a href="mailto:behdad@behdad.org">behdad@behdad.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:35 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com" target="_blank">Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:40 AM Behdad Esfahbod wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Moreover, I suggest CFF and CFF2 be removed from OFF. The claim-to-superiority of CFF format is: 1. better hinting, and 2. better compression. Re better-hinting, the interpretation of CFF hints is NOT specified anywhere. Adobe's code in FreeType is what we
have. Re better compression, the existence of CFF in OpenType / OFF is partly why adding quadratic beziers to glyf table has continually not happened.<o:p></o:p></p>
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In reality, CFF only serves Adobe, who sells their rasterizer to MS / Apple platforms and serves only Adobe. Another example of Adobe abusing the "open" ideology / terminology is the Noto CJK / Adobe-equivalent. It's NOT open-source by any means. The sources
are not available. That's something that I pointed out directly to Ken Lunde at one of his Unicode Conference presentations. Adobe is clearly aware of it. And I couldn't fix when I was at Google.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Rip the bandaid. Make open standards truly open.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">With my SC29/WG3 member representative hat on (and _<i>not</i>_ serving in my capacity as a chair of
this AHG) I object to this proposal. With many thousands of fonts currently deployed, and at least two (or more) different implementations available – this proposal, if considered, would do more harm than good.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Okay let me narrow down the proposal to removing CFF2 only.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there any evidence that there are "thousands of fonts currently deployed"? And is there any evidence of at least two different implementations (that is, that are not derived from same Adobe implementation)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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