<div dir="ltr">Werner,<div><br></div><div>I am the convenor of SC34/WG4. WG4 did not have to use the ISO toolchain due to the many pages. But this was not the end of the story. ISO/CS wanted WG4 to check some of the automated checks done by their toolchain. One of them is to find all normative modal verbs ("shall", "should", "may", and so forth) in examples and notes and eliminate them. WG4 did that. See <a href="https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtxKXtxhCLrIiis3hG0_-Ldtnb1E?e=F2SBuM">Examples Part 1.xlsx</a></div><div><br></div><div>ISO/CS told WG4 that they would not publish the revision of 29500-1 and -4 unless WG4 does such changes.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Complain loudly and point out the inadequacies of their toolchain,<br>giving a bunch of examples, and do that not only to the ISO/CS people<br>but to the public, too.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not think that they care much. They are already unhappy with JTC1.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Makoto </div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">2024年9月17日(火) 15:30 Werner LEMBERG <<a href="mailto:wl@gnu.org">wl@gnu.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
>> but the results it generates are absolutely dreadful and<br>
>> practically unusable for any substantive document.<br>
> <br>
> But what should we do if ISO/CS decides not to accept PDFs from us?<br>
> Just give up this project? They will surely accept Word documents,<br>
> but they are likely to stick to their toolchain.<br>
<br>
Complain loudly and point out the inadequacies of their toolchain,<br>
giving a bunch of examples, and do that not only to the ISO/CS people<br>
but to the public, too.<br>
<br>
In general, I don't understand why so many people (especially in the<br>
computer science field) are using XML for publishing purposes. I have<br>
not yet seen a single XML document processed with the standard XML<br>
tools to create a PDF file that really looks good from a typographical<br>
point of view.<br>
<br>
<br>
Werner<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"> --<div>慶應義塾大学政策・メディア研究科特任教授</div><div>村田 真</div></div></div>