<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Peter,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">2024年10月3日(木) 8:33 Peter Constable <<a href="mailto:pconstable@microsoft.com">pconstable@microsoft.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1730890149066613471">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Murata:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">The Directives (Part 2, clause 7) are clear about statements regarding requirements (use “shall” or “shall not”), recommendations (use “should” / “should not”) and
permission (use “may”). It also describes words to use to describe possibilities: use “can” or “cannot”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">However, the latter doesn’t adequately cover the scenario of possibility of a non-event. “Can” means that an event could occur</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">—</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">>0%
possibility; “cannot” means the event will not occur</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">—</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">0%
possibility. But it doesn’t recommend language when you want to advise the reader of <100% possibility, i.e., the possibility the event does not occur. While I haven’t checked all occurrences of “may not”, the occurrences I did check were all attempting to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">If you are aware of terminology guidance in the Directives for that situation, I’d be interested to know where it is.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I know Directives, Part 2 and ISO House Style. I am not aware of any other guidelines.</div><div><br></div><div>The interpretation of these guidelines by our Editorial Program Manager in ISO/CS is authoritative. Who is that person in SC29? Whenever we have a question, we should contact that person.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Makoto</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1730890149066613471"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1730890149066613471WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Peter Constable<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec-bounces@lists.aau.at</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>MURATA via mpeg-otspec<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 12, 2024 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MPEG OT Spec list (<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>) <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Text of ISO/IEC 14496-22/CD is now available for review<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have not read this CD carefully yet, but I am happy to report that neither "MUST" nor "must" appears in this document.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately, "may not" is still used. I will try to make JP raise a comment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While editing the OOXML specification (ISO/IEC 29500-1, 2, 3, and 4), ISO instructed SC34/WG4 not to use normative modal verbs (such as "shall", "may", and "should") in non-normative descriptions such as examples and notes. So, I wrote
a program for enumerating all such occurrences. I will modify this program and use it for this document.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2024<span lang="JA">年</span>7<span lang="JA">月</span>12<span lang="JA">日</span>(<span lang="JA">金</span>) 5:10 Vladimir Levantovsky via mpeg-otspec <<a href="mailto:mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at" target="_blank">mpeg-otspec@lists.aau.at</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The text of the Committee Draft of the 5th edition ISO/IEC 14496-22/CD "Open Font Format" is now available for download and review: <u></u><u></u></p>
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ISO commenting template</a>. The CD text is available for download as both "tracked changes" and "clean" versions - when submitting comments, please reference the clean version of the text for clarity and correct page number references.<u></u><u></u></p>
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to be registered and uploaded in advance - to reserve the document number and provide comments prior to ballot closing date (which is yet to be announced).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your contributions and hard work!<u></u><u></u></p>
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