[MPEG-OTSPEC] OFF: SC29 and SC34 (was "Re: Updates to specification")

[MURATA Makoto]

I heard that OFF was allocated to SC29/WG3, which is
convened by Youngkwon Lim (Korea).  He is an MPEG
expert, working for Samsung.  The new chair of SC29 is
Sullivan Gary at Microsoft.  See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Sullivan_(engineer)

Regards,
Makoto

2020年8月21日(金) 15:30 James Clark <jjc at jclark.com>:

> How do fonts (and this AHG) fit into the scopes of the newly reorganized
> SC29 working groups?
>
> I found this a helpful summary of the recent changes in SC29:
>
> https://jtc1info.org/future-of-sc-29-with-jpeg-and-mpeg/
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 9:50 AM Levantovsky, Vladimir <
> Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Murata-san,
>>
>> Don’t you think it is disingenuous to state that
>> “SC 34’s offer was discussed by SC 29/WG 11, which at the time was
>> responsible for OFF (but has been disbanded recently)”?
>>
>> Especially when you know full well that SC29/WG11 (also known as MPEG
>> Committee) was not “disbanded” like you claim, but rather reorganized into
>> a new committee that now combines a number of Advisory and Working Groups.
>> I’d think that among the AHG participants you’d be the one to know the
>> difference.
>> https://www.iso.org/committee/45316.html
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:07 AM, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> 2020年8月15日(土) 2:33 Levantovsky, Vladimir <
>> Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 14, 2020 1:10 PM Dave Crossland wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 12:38 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <
>>> Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Input documents (as is the case here) are produced by their contributing
>>> members and it’s up to them whether they decide to make them public. In
>>> this particular case, the liaison letter from SC34 isn’t public and is only
>>> accessible to accredited members of the SC29 behind the login,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see. That is disappointing. Is a summary available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Murata-san has been directly involved in the process of authoring the
>> SC34 liaison, I’d like to delegate it to him to provide us with the summary.
>>
>>
>> Since ISO/IEC directives do not allow me to disclose the liaison
>> statement here, let me give a summary as well as some historical
>> background from the SC34's point of view.
>>
>> Fonts are in the scope of SC34
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/OZCyCER2v0u3NXYqiNOqwj>.  But SC29
>> started standardization of OFF anyway and claimed OFF is in its then
>> scope <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/8FYjCG62xMh1QX68H7B0hC>.  SC34 has
>> spoken with SC29 (on and off) without much success.
>>
>> In its recent liaison statement to SC29, SC 34 has offered to collaborate
>> with SC 29 in a Joint Working Group.  SC 34’s offer was discussed by SC
>> 29/WG 11, which at the time was responsible for OFF (but has been disbanded
>> recently).  SC 29/WG 11 decided that SC34 did not provide sufficient
>> justification to start a revision project, so recommended to SC 29 not
>> to start a revision project and not to form a Joint Working Group with SC
>> 34 to handle the revision.  While OFF remains the responsibility of SC 29
>> within JTC 1, there is nothing that SC 34 can do to revise OFF.
>>
>> Since SC34 has document format standards (OOXML, ODF, and EPUB), SC34 cares
>> about interactions of fonts and document processing.   SC34 feels that
>> interactions between fonts and document rendering applications have not
>> been clearly defined.  In our understanding, different applications
>> interact with fonts in different ways and this leads to divergent behavior.
>> However, users expect that modern applications connected by the Internet
>> exhibit behavior that is predictable and consistent. In particular, users
>> expect that different web browsers on different platforms provide
>> reasonably similar results when rendering documents.
>>
>> SC34 is very interested in collaborating with any experts who share our
>> views about the limitations of OFF.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Makoto
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Makoto
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