[MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG

[Youngkwon Lim]

Dear MURATA-san,

I would like to remind you the ISO code of conduct when you participate 
this AHG.

In addition, more importantly, I have serious concern about your first 
concern as it is not based on any facts and not even relevant to the AHG 
discussion. It is a matter for SC 29.

Sincerely,
Young


------ Original Message ------
From: "MURATA Makoto" <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp>
To: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>
Cc: "mpeg-otspec" <mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at>
Sent: 09/30/20 17:42:57
Subject: Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG

>I have two concerns.
>
>First, do P-members of SC29 not belonging to the
>Font AHG have access to important information?
>If nothing except balloted texts is available, national
>bodies are not well informed.  For example,
>was India well informed when some decisions
>in the Font AHG are very relevant to them?
>
>Second, how consensus has been declared in
>the Font AHG?
>
> > [Note:  Consensus is defined as general agreement, characterised by
> > the absence of sustained opposition to substantial issues by any
> > important part of the concerned interests and by a process that
> > involves seeking to take into account the views of all parties
> > concerned and to reconcile any conflicting arguments.  Consensus need
> > not imply unanimity.  (ISO/IEC Guide 2:1996)]
>
>If few agendas and minutes are available and
>everything is recorded as part of AHG reports,
>(and when some members of the AHG
>still oppose to "consensus"), I think that it
>is hard to defend consensus in the past.
>
>Regards,
>Makoto
>
>
>
>2020年10月1日(木) 4:24 Levantovsky, Vladimir 
><Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>:
>>AHG on Font Format conducts its business online via email list and 
>>shared documents (either proposals shared by their authors or WG 
>>public output documents shared with AHG members for review. The AHG 
>>reports are provided for each WG meeting and summarize AHG activities.
>>
>>
>>
>>The AHG typically does not conduct any work via meetings (unless this 
>>is specifically indicated as part of the mandate), so the fact that 
>>you couldn’t find any “minutes” or “resolutions” isn’t a surprise – by 
>>the very nature of our work we submit recommendations to the WG (as 
>>part of the AHG report), but we do not make resolutions (like WGs do).
>>
>>
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Vladimir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec-bounces at lists.aau.at> On Behalf Of 
>>MURATA Makoto
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:59 PM
>>To: mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at>
>>Subject: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG
>>
>>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am investigating the email archive available
>>
>>at https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/ 
>><https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/I0l-CDk2rQtBjx7gfW7Vbd/>.
>>
>>
>>
>>I searched for "agenda", "minutes", and "report".
>>
>>They appear in the email archive several times.  A
>>
>>few of them are available as attachments.
>>
>>But the others are no longer available at the
>>
>>Yahoo ML archive.
>>
>>
>>
>>There are some AHG reports (as part of emails),
>>
>>but they do not look like minutes or resolutions
>>
>>of the AHG.   As the convenor of SC34/WG4,
>>
>>I write reports but they are not considered as
>>
>>authoritative documents.
>>
>>
>>
>>The document archive of WG11 at https://isotc.iso.org 
>><https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/DrorCER2v0uW1qwRswIBOY>
>>
>>is also gone.
>>
>>
>>
>>I will contact the SC29 secretariat and try to find
>>
>>more.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Makoto
>>
>>
>>
>>2020年9月27日(日) 17:44 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp>:
>>
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The document repository of SC29 has records of ballots
>>>
>>>in the past.  I downloaded the summaries of 16 ballots
>>>
>>>related to OFF and had a quick look at them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>All countries except US have always said
>>>
>>>YES without comments.  There are a few
>>>
>>>exceptions, but they are one-paragraph
>>>
>>>editorial comments attached to Yes.
>>>
>>>It is only US that has made non-trivial comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Although there appear to be different opinions around
>>>
>>>color fonts, I find no discussion documents in the SC29
>>>
>>>document repository about them.  I might be
>>>
>>>missing something since the document archive of
>>>
>>>WG11 is not available now.  I will contact the SC29
>>>
>>>committee officer about this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Makoto
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Makoto
>>
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>
>--
>Regards,
>Makoto
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