[MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG

[MURATA Makoto]

Youngkwon,

I am well aware the ISO code of conduct.  It
is here.
https://www.iso.org/files/live/sites/isoorg/files/store/en/PUB100397.pdf

My first concern is about the absence of SC29
numbered documents about important discussion
topics relevant to OFF.  This is a fact.  I am going
to study WG11 numbered documents as well.

Regards,
Makoto


2020年10月1日(木) 8:08 Youngkwon Lim <yklwhite at gmail.com>:

> Dear MURATA-san,
>
> I would like to remind you the ISO code of conduct when you participate
> this AHG.
>
> In addition, more importantly, I have serious concern about your first
> concern as it is not based on any facts and not even relevant to the AHG
> discussion. It is a matter for SC 29.
>
> Sincerely,
> Young
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "MURATA Makoto" <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp>
> To: "Levantovsky, Vladimir" <Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>
> Cc: "mpeg-otspec" <mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at>
> Sent: 09/30/20 17:42:57
> Subject: Re: [MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG
>
> I have two concerns.
>
> First, do P-members of SC29 not belonging to the
> Font AHG have access to important information?
> If nothing except balloted texts is available, national
> bodies are not well informed.  For example,
> was India well informed when some decisions
> in the Font AHG are very relevant to them?
>
> Second, how consensus has been declared in
> the Font AHG?
>
> > [Note:  Consensus is defined as general agreement, characterised by
> > the absence of sustained opposition to substantial issues by any
> > important part of the concerned interests and by a process that
> > involves seeking to take into account the views of all parties
> > concerned and to reconcile any conflicting arguments.  Consensus need
> > not imply unanimity.  (ISO/IEC Guide 2:1996)]
>
> If few agendas and minutes are available and
> everything is recorded as part of AHG reports,
> (and when some members of the AHG
> still oppose to "consensus"), I think that it
> is hard to defend consensus in the past.
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
>
>
> 2020年10月1日(木) 4:24 Levantovsky, Vladimir <
> Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com>:
>
>> AHG on Font Format conducts its business online via email list and shared
>> documents (either proposals shared by their authors or WG public output
>> documents shared with AHG members for review. The AHG reports are provided
>> for each WG meeting and summarize AHG activities.
>>
>>
>>
>> The AHG typically does not conduct any work via meetings (unless this is
>> specifically indicated as part of the mandate), so the fact that you
>> couldn’t find any “minutes” or “resolutions” isn’t a surprise – by the very
>> nature of our work we submit recommendations to the WG (as part of the AHG
>> report), but we do not make resolutions (like WGs do).
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Vladimir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec-bounces at lists.aau.at> *On Behalf Of *MURATA
>> Makoto
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:59 PM
>> *To:* mpeg-otspec <mpeg-otspec at lists.aau.at>
>> *Subject:* [MPEG-OTSPEC] Agendas and minutes of the Font AHG
>>
>>
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am investigating the email archive available
>>
>> at https://lists.aau.at/pipermail/mpeg-otspec/
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/I0l-CDk2rQtBjx7gfW7Vbd/>.
>>
>>
>>
>> I searched for "agenda", "minutes", and "report".
>>
>> They appear in the email archive several times.  A
>>
>> few of them are available as attachments.
>>
>> But the others are no longer available at the
>>
>> Yahoo ML archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some AHG reports (as part of emails),
>>
>> but they do not look like minutes or resolutions
>>
>> of the AHG.   As the convenor of SC34/WG4,
>>
>> I write reports but they are not considered as
>>
>> authoritative documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> The document archive of WG11 at https://isotc.iso.org
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/DrorCER2v0uW1qwRswIBOY>
>>
>> is also gone.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will contact the SC29 secretariat and try to find
>>
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>>
>> 2020年9月27日(日) 17:44 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt at asahi-net.or.jp>:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> The document repository of SC29 has records of ballots
>>
>> in the past.  I downloaded the summaries of 16 ballots
>>
>> related to OFF and had a quick look at them.
>>
>>
>>
>> All countries except US have always said
>>
>> YES without comments.  There are a few
>>
>> exceptions, but they are one-paragraph
>>
>> editorial comments attached to Yes.
>>
>> It is only US that has made non-trivial comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although there appear to be different opinions around
>>
>> color fonts, I find no discussion documents in the SC29
>>
>> document repository about them.  I might be
>>
>> missing something since the document archive of
>>
>> WG11 is not available now.  I will contact the SC29
>>
>> committee officer about this.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Makoto
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>
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> Regards,
> Makoto
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Regards,
Makoto
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