[MPEG-OTSPEC] Removal of the CFF and CF2 from OFF standard (was: Proposal to make OFF complete)

[Behdad Esfahbod]

Also, procedurally, please help me understand. I thought you vote with your
SC29/WG3 member representative hat on at the WG3 meeting, NOT here on the
AHG.

So I expect the proposal to be rolled up to WG3, and you can then vote on
it there.

Am I missing something?

behdad
http://behdad.org/


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:50 PM Behdad Esfahbod <behdad at behdad.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:35 PM Levantovsky, Vladimir <
> Vladimir.Levantovsky at monotype.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:40 AM Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>>
>> Moreover, I suggest CFF and CFF2 be removed from OFF. The
>> claim-to-superiority of CFF format is: 1. better hinting, and 2. better
>> compression. Re better-hinting, the interpretation of CFF hints is NOT
>> specified anywhere. Adobe's code in FreeType is what we have. Re better
>> compression, the existence of CFF in OpenType / OFF is partly why adding
>> quadratic beziers to glyf table has continually not happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> In reality, CFF only serves Adobe, who sells their rasterizer to MS /
>> Apple platforms and serves only Adobe. Another example of Adobe abusing the
>> "open" ideology / terminology is the Noto CJK / Adobe-equivalent. It's NOT
>> open-source by any means. The sources are not available. That's something
>> that I pointed out directly to Ken Lunde at one of his Unicode Conference
>> presentations. Adobe is clearly aware of it. And I couldn't fix when I was
>> at Google.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rip the bandaid. Make open standards truly open.
>>
>>
>>
>> With my SC29/WG3 member representative hat on (and _*not*_ serving in my
>> capacity as a chair of this AHG) I object to this proposal. With many
>> thousands of fonts currently deployed, and at least two (or more) different
>> implementations available – this proposal, if considered, would do more
>> harm than good.
>>
>
> Okay let me narrow down the proposal to removing CFF2 only.
>
> Is there any evidence that there are "thousands of fonts currently
> deployed"? And is there any evidence of at least two different
> implementations (that is, that are not derived from same Adobe
> implementation)?
>
>
>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> behdad
>> http://behdad.org/
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/os4aC68vyBsrBZ6ycpkuzx/>
>>
>
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